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		<title>by: Chello</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2450</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:21:53 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>It surprising to see that this issue remains such a big  &quot;problem&quot;. 35 years ago when I studied at the Yerevan State University (coming from the diaspora) the contradictions between the diaspora students and the locals were defintely greater than today. Back then things were just opening up and the exchanges between Armenia and the diaspora were something new. Thge lifestyles of the West found their way into Soviet Armenia thru us and it often was a &quot;clash of cultures&quot;. To be honest, we rarely ventured outside alone lest we be the target of ridicule and contempt. But to be fair, we were just as equally intolerant of Yerevantsi's in general, considering them to be dishonest and tricksters. This isn't to say that I did not enjoy some good and close frienships with several families of local Armenians. But this was the exception rather than the rule.

One would have thought that 35 years later, and goven 15 years of Armenian independence, such delineations between groups would have subsided to a great degree. After an absence of some 30 years I went back to Armenia, now independent and open to the West. Sure I was looked upon as an outsider, Armenian or not. But I did not feel the constant gaze upon me that was the case so many years ago.  I felt more at ease.

Sure, divisions will remain for many years to come. But I believe that over time and with a constant exchange between the two realities, Armenia and diaspora, we will have a better understanding of the other and hopefully more tolerance and respect. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It surprising to see that this issue remains such a big  &#8220;problem&#8221;. 35 years ago when I studied at the Yerevan State University (coming from the diaspora) the contradictions between the diaspora students and the locals were defintely greater than today. Back then things were just opening up and the exchanges between Armenia and the diaspora were something new. Thge lifestyles of the West found their way into Soviet Armenia thru us and it often was a &#8220;clash of cultures&#8221;. To be honest, we rarely ventured outside alone lest we be the target of ridicule and contempt. But to be fair, we were just as equally intolerant of Yerevantsi&#8217;s in general, considering them to be dishonest and tricksters. This isn&#8217;t to say that I did not enjoy some good and close frienships with several families of local Armenians. But this was the exception rather than the rule.</p>
	<p>One would have thought that 35 years later, and goven 15 years of Armenian independence, such delineations between groups would have subsided to a great degree. After an absence of some 30 years I went back to Armenia, now independent and open to the West. Sure I was looked upon as an outsider, Armenian or not. But I did not feel the constant gaze upon me that was the case so many years ago.  I felt more at ease.</p>
	<p>Sure, divisions will remain for many years to come. But I believe that over time and with a constant exchange between the two realities, Armenia and diaspora, we will have a better understanding of the other and hopefully more tolerance and respect.
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		<title>by: Garo</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2442</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:43:44 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>      It is good to air all this comments about differences in Armenians....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It is good to air all this comments about differences in Armenians&#8230;.
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2427</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:30:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Gagik, well we agree on most of the points you raise. However, regarding communities outside Armenia I have to say that the London-Armenian community was pitifully divided for such a small number of Armenians. The division was mainly on political grounds i.e. Dashnak vs the rest, and it went even as far as organizing separate 24 April marches would you believe? Anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Gagik, well we agree on most of the points you raise. However, regarding communities outside Armenia I have to say that the London-Armenian community was pitifully divided for such a small number of Armenians. The division was mainly on political grounds i.e. Dashnak vs the rest, and it went even as far as organizing separate 24 April marches would you believe? Anyway.
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		<title>by: Liborale</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2421</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:38:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Abrees Knarik!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Abrees Knarik!
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		<title>by: Knarik O. Meneshian</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2420</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:12:44 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Menk  Hay Enk?&quot;  This topic is close to my heart, and every time I hear or read comments such as those expressed in this segment, I am filled with a sadness that goes back to my childhood when I first uttered the words, &quot;Menk Hai enk!&quot;

Being half-Armenian by birth, and all-Armenian by soul, it has pained  me growing up in the Diaspora to be mocked, from time to time, because of my &quot;Hayasdantsi accent,&quot; and it has pained me living and doing volunteer work in Armenia to be treated, from time to time, as an unwelcome foreigner, except when something was needed.

Does it really matter whether we are Armenians from Armenia, Armenians from the Diaspora; whether we are this-Armenian or that-Armenian; belonging to this side or that side, this church or that church etc.?   After all, Menk Hai enk!  What strong, proud, and beautiful words! 

Knarik O. Meneshian 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Menk  Hay Enk?&#8221;  This topic is close to my heart, and every time I hear or read comments such as those expressed in this segment, I am filled with a sadness that goes back to my childhood when I first uttered the words, &#8220;Menk Hai enk!&#8221;</p>
	<p>Being half-Armenian by birth, and all-Armenian by soul, it has pained  me growing up in the Diaspora to be mocked, from time to time, because of my &#8220;Hayasdantsi accent,&#8221; and it has pained me living and doing volunteer work in Armenia to be treated, from time to time, as an unwelcome foreigner, except when something was needed.</p>
	<p>Does it really matter whether we are Armenians from Armenia, Armenians from the Diaspora; whether we are this-Armenian or that-Armenian; belonging to this side or that side, this church or that church etc.?   After all, Menk Hai enk!  What strong, proud, and beautiful words! </p>
	<p>Knarik O. Meneshian
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2413</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:26:24 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Gagik, don't think I'm complaining am I? Like I said, I value diversity and we need more of it here. 

However, Armenians as a whole react against such things, and it's in fact students from the Diaspora and the ARF-D and Hunchak parties that do not like the situation. Perhaps you should tell them to stop complaining instead. All I'm doing is pointing you towards what others think is happening but also saying that from my own experience this is how it is. In fact, you're agreeing but typically you have to attack me at the same time.

Why do I focus on Diasporans? I'm not. Like I said, it's the ARF-D and Hunchak parties. They're trying to resolve the issue while you're saying that we should all just ignore it because its &quot;natural.&quot; Actually, it might be, but these divisions do not exist among many other nations to the same extent, including the Jews. In fact, Armenians here say that the Jews are strong because they largely remain together regardless of where they come from. Factor in the fact that Armenians are significantly fewer in number than the Jews and the Kurds, and it becomes even more of a problematic issue.

Otherwise, I agree with your last paragraph and also your comment about diversity being a richness. Indeed, that was my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gagik, don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m complaining am I? Like I said, I value diversity and we need more of it here. </p>
	<p>However, Armenians as a whole react against such things, and it&#8217;s in fact students from the Diaspora and the ARF-D and Hunchak parties that do not like the situation. Perhaps you should tell them to stop complaining instead. All I&#8217;m doing is pointing you towards what others think is happening but also saying that from my own experience this is how it is. In fact, you&#8217;re agreeing but typically you have to attack me at the same time.</p>
	<p>Why do I focus on Diasporans? I&#8217;m not. Like I said, it&#8217;s the ARF-D and Hunchak parties. They&#8217;re trying to resolve the issue while you&#8217;re saying that we should all just ignore it because its &#8220;natural.&#8221; Actually, it might be, but these divisions do not exist among many other nations to the same extent, including the Jews. In fact, Armenians here say that the Jews are strong because they largely remain together regardless of where they come from. Factor in the fact that Armenians are significantly fewer in number than the Jews and the Kurds, and it becomes even more of a problematic issue.</p>
	<p>Otherwise, I agree with your last paragraph and also your comment about diversity being a richness. Indeed, that was my point.
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		<title>by: Gagik</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2412</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:16:01 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This discussion pops up here and there, and it is absolutely sensless. It like saying that  humans  behave  like humans. Very common thing  for all nations. And why you always focus on Diasporans? Everyone makes fun of Abarantsi, and there were always marked differences between Leninaganci, Erevantci or Qyavareci. In 70s when I was growing up in Yerevan, local guys with long hair had hard times souther than Hanrapetutyan hraparak, and a rabiz could be laughed at near kino Nairi. Is this an evidence that Armenians do not get along? Have you lived among Jews? do you thnk they get along better? Or any other nationaluty. 
Of course, nations that have large Diaspora are even more diverse and may be untloreant to customs  acquired from others. But this diversity is also our richness. Stop complaining about things that come as natural as peeing in the morning.
Saying that, I am very concerned with increasing natinalistic sentiments in Armenia. We should admit that we are not very tolerant to other nations, particularly if they are poor. I dont like these attitude of arrogance, ignorance or sense of superiority that prevails among Armenians and it is common even among Diaspora who lives among other nationalities. Lets better worry about that and try educate our people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This discussion pops up here and there, and it is absolutely sensless. It like saying that  humans  behave  like humans. Very common thing  for all nations. And why you always focus on Diasporans? Everyone makes fun of Abarantsi, and there were always marked differences between Leninaganci, Erevantci or Qyavareci. In 70s when I was growing up in Yerevan, local guys with long hair had hard times souther than Hanrapetutyan hraparak, and a rabiz could be laughed at near kino Nairi. Is this an evidence that Armenians do not get along? Have you lived among Jews? do you thnk they get along better? Or any other nationaluty.<br />
Of course, nations that have large Diaspora are even more diverse and may be untloreant to customs  acquired from others. But this diversity is also our richness. Stop complaining about things that come as natural as peeing in the morning.<br />
Saying that, I am very concerned with increasing natinalistic sentiments in Armenia. We should admit that we are not very tolerant to other nations, particularly if they are poor. I dont like these attitude of arrogance, ignorance or sense of superiority that prevails among Armenians and it is common even among Diaspora who lives among other nationalities. Lets better worry about that and try educate our people.
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		<title>by: Onnik</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2411</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:49:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmmm, well in England divisions are not found to such an extent perhaps with the exception of class. For example, apart from a minority of bigoted British citizens, everyone tends to integrate into larger society. Most people have friends from all ethnicities and backgrounds living aroudn them, although of course, this is not everyone. 

Perhaps there's a North-South divide but again, this usually relates to class. The concept of citizenship usually takes precedence or at least that has been my experience.  In the South Caucasus, however, ethnicity is considered more important than citizenship which makes the Hayastantsi-Karabakhtsi-Diaspora divide all the more ridiculous. 

Or perhaps its not. Key to the Armenian identity is the belief that everybody should be the same and when they're not, these clashes and divisions occur. As Armenians are spread throughout the world, most Armenians have absorbed the influences of those around them. Diasporans don't like the way Hayastantsi use some Russian words, for example, whereas Hayastantsi don't like the way [Western Armenian[ Diasporans use Turkish words or whatever.

Yet, for other nations, languages and cultures evolve, absorb and adapt. Armenians seem resistant to that idea but each group within sees their model as the one that should take precedent. Another example, and you've experienced this as well Garo, is the way that most local Armenians refer to Diaspora Armenians as foreigners even when they live here and have taken up residency. 

As you say, however, it goes both ways and in the Diaspora there are not only internal divisions based on origin and politics, but also with regards to the new influx of Hayastantsis that have appeared in the U.S. and Europe.

Like you say, surrounding yourself with those who you get on with wherever they come fromand accepting those differences is the right attitude and the way we usually live our lives in non-Armenian communities. However, as we know, most Armenians still adhere to the clan mentality which is formed by family, country of origin, politics, and language. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmmm, well in England divisions are not found to such an extent perhaps with the exception of class. For example, apart from a minority of bigoted British citizens, everyone tends to integrate into larger society. Most people have friends from all ethnicities and backgrounds living aroudn them, although of course, this is not everyone. </p>
	<p>Perhaps there&#8217;s a North-South divide but again, this usually relates to class. The concept of citizenship usually takes precedence or at least that has been my experience.  In the South Caucasus, however, ethnicity is considered more important than citizenship which makes the Hayastantsi-Karabakhtsi-Diaspora divide all the more ridiculous. </p>
	<p>Or perhaps its not. Key to the Armenian identity is the belief that everybody should be the same and when they&#8217;re not, these clashes and divisions occur. As Armenians are spread throughout the world, most Armenians have absorbed the influences of those around them. Diasporans don&#8217;t like the way Hayastantsi use some Russian words, for example, whereas Hayastantsi don&#8217;t like the way [Western Armenian[ Diasporans use Turkish words or whatever.</p>
	<p>Yet, for other nations, languages and cultures evolve, absorb and adapt. Armenians seem resistant to that idea but each group within sees their model as the one that should take precedent. Another example, and you&#8217;ve experienced this as well Garo, is the way that most local Armenians refer to Diaspora Armenians as foreigners even when they live here and have taken up residency. </p>
	<p>As you say, however, it goes both ways and in the Diaspora there are not only internal divisions based on origin and politics, but also with regards to the new influx of Hayastantsis that have appeared in the U.S. and Europe.</p>
	<p>Like you say, surrounding yourself with those who you get on with wherever they come fromand accepting those differences is the right attitude and the way we usually live our lives in non-Armenian communities. However, as we know, most Armenians still adhere to the clan mentality which is formed by family, country of origin, politics, and language.
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		<title>by: Christian</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2410</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:07:03 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The above mentioned reports and statements should not be a surprise. Armenians have been and will always be divided--let's not think that they will and should all be the same because this is an absurd notion. Of course there are differences in mentalities and cultures between Armenians from the diaspora and those living in Armenia, that is to be expected and it's natural. But this comes from the base village rivalry stance that Armenians foster to this day. Armenians in the US and arguably in other countries are divided--some from Lebanon or Syria do not trust those from Iran for example. Even Armenians from Beirut and Syria don't get along. Armenians from Armenia gemerally  stay away from all three divided groups and hang out together, even kids who moved to the US from Armenia over 15 years ago. And the same goes for people from ancestral villages. There are opinions commonly shared that someone whose roots are in Aintab is being such and such, and someone from Marash is described as being whatever (I don't want to get into the insights). 

Personally I could care less what Armenians in Armenia think of me. Overall I have not been discriminated because I was a Diasporan, but because I was an Armenian. Armenians do not get along with each other, they victimize and criticize one another generally speaking. That's the way things are. 

But as I explained to a friend yesterday visiting from Boston that I surround myself with people with whom I am most comfortable. Some are from here, others from abroad. I've married into a family from Vanadzor.

So this entry is no surprise, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, and let's not expect anything different. It's also not unique to Armenians I would argue. Other European nationalities may also endure similar types of divisions. But perhaps not as severe.

Anyway... again just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The above mentioned reports and statements should not be a surprise. Armenians have been and will always be divided&#8211;let&#8217;s not think that they will and should all be the same because this is an absurd notion. Of course there are differences in mentalities and cultures between Armenians from the diaspora and those living in Armenia, that is to be expected and it&#8217;s natural. But this comes from the base village rivalry stance that Armenians foster to this day. Armenians in the US and arguably in other countries are divided&#8211;some from Lebanon or Syria do not trust those from Iran for example. Even Armenians from Beirut and Syria don&#8217;t get along. Armenians from Armenia gemerally  stay away from all three divided groups and hang out together, even kids who moved to the US from Armenia over 15 years ago. And the same goes for people from ancestral villages. There are opinions commonly shared that someone whose roots are in Aintab is being such and such, and someone from Marash is described as being whatever (I don&#8217;t want to get into the insights). </p>
	<p>Personally I could care less what Armenians in Armenia think of me. Overall I have not been discriminated because I was a Diasporan, but because I was an Armenian. Armenians do not get along with each other, they victimize and criticize one another generally speaking. That&#8217;s the way things are. </p>
	<p>But as I explained to a friend yesterday visiting from Boston that I surround myself with people with whom I am most comfortable. Some are from here, others from abroad. I&#8217;ve married into a family from Vanadzor.</p>
	<p>So this entry is no surprise, it shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise to anyone, and let&#8217;s not expect anything different. It&#8217;s also not unique to Armenians I would argue. Other European nationalities may also endure similar types of divisions. But perhaps not as severe.</p>
	<p>Anyway&#8230; again just my opinion.
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		<title>by: Global Voices Online</title>
		<link>http://oneworld.blogsome.com/2006/10/04/menk-hay-enk/#comment-2409</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:05:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Armenia: Trouble for Diasporans&lt;/strong&gt;

Onnik Krikorian discusses the difficulties and discrimination many Armenian Diasporans face when living in Armenia.

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	<p>Onnik Krikorian discusses the difficulties and discrimination many Armenian Diasporans face when living in Armenia.</p>
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